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Yo what's up we are now sitting a new Et5 and in this video I want to talk About battery swap So yeah I made a video a long time ago But battery swap and uh what I thought About it back then this time I want to Tell you my experience with batteries Drop okay I don't own the Neo but at Least I've taken a couple of runs with Battery swap and I want to share with You my experience when using battery Swap on long trips So Um maybe I need to explain that Neo they Have over 300 000 cars in China now and What was the numbers again around one Was it getting close to 2 000 battery Swap stations so that I first I got the Numbers wrong in the previous statement I had about battery swap but um Yeah that's in China in Europe they are Establishing they are getting more and More battery swaps but um It's just a handful of battery swap Stations in Europe for now in Norway Also not that many yet so um Yeah I think that is the problem that we Don't have enough battery swap stations Yet So maybe first I should tell you uh how Was it when I did one thousand kilometer Challenge with battery swap Well I tried to optimize everything for For Speed because any what what is the
What is the point of battery swap if Or like what are we trying to measure or What what is the advantage of battery Swap well it's speed it's time saving You swap within I don't know if they Claim five minutes or something I Measured oh what the heck man truck Drivers I measured the closer to somewhere Between seven and ten minutes of actual Time it takes for the battery swap Versus charging well how much can you Get in five to ten minutes not that much Versus Microsoft but one thing to note Is that you actually don't get 100 Battery you get 90 battery and also these NEOS for Example yeah this one has 100 kilowatt Hour it's a hundred kilowatt hour Battery or a 75 kilowatt hour battery But for example the 100 kilowatt hour Battery Doesn't have 100 kilowatt hour net Capacity I measured well a year ago over A year ago I measured Only 88 kilowatt hour nowadays I'm only Getting around 86 kilowatt hour from These batteries I guess we'll come back To that what's up with that so it means That When you swap it You you don't get 88 you get uh well Almost 80 kilowatt hour right or Actually and also you you then you have
To arrive at zero percent and then swap To get 90 and some people might want to Want to have a little margin so Practically maybe you then add 70 To 80 battery when you swap it you know So then we have to take that one and Look at how much time we spend versus How much Um a fast charging Eva can add within 10 Minutes or five minutes so I mean it's Still not going to beat battery swap Okay but That is not just the whole story about It so a practical example when I did one Thousand kilometer challenge I started From Oslo with 100 battery And then they draw South towards Sweden And By the time I reach speculative at least For one of the tests I had to charge There And then I had bad weather and then on The other one other one with the a Similar car that was the the first one Was the es8 those are the et7 which is Which has more range of course but it Was Winter second one was with the el7 Which is an SUV so it's Thursday So in both cases I could not go directly From Oslo to Water by where the the Battery swap stations that's that's only 360 kilometers away and those cars Cannot make it there and the roads are
Similar to here we have uh wait what the Heck where's the wiper we have motorways With 110 kilometers per hour speed Limits And if you add vit then you can work out Roughly what the speed will be Now there is actually a new battery swap Station at kungal which is a little bit Before that roughly let's say around a Little bit over 200 kilometers away from Uh from Oslo so it would make sense to Swap there But then if I swap there then uh Once you swap you want to drive at a Certain distance maybe around 250 to 350 Kilometers before you want to swap again Um and that's the problem because when You go to kungal and swap there then you There is no other swap station well Except for housing board with the way we Have the end point right but in a more Real world situation they aren't that Many swap stations around so you you Might want to swap and then drive a bit And then either swap or you have to fill Up with some charging before you can Reach another swap station and it's that Charge charge session in between the Swaps that go slow because with this car Uh the well actually not only rather This battery since they use the same Battery they have the same charging Curve all of them You can
Peak at 125 kilowatt that's what I've Seen I think on spec it's supposed to be Higher I'm not sure but I've seen 120 to 125 kilowatt And that is not very fast for 100 Kilowatt hour but a battery nowadays The competitors they are charging at 200 To 250 kilowatts for something similar Or maybe even smaller battery packs so Um Yeah and also there's a lot of stuff I Need to mention that so in in the in the 1000 kilometer challenge case here yes I Drove a while But then I had to Top up and charge and that was actually Very good that I needed to charge why Because I then had the opportunity to just plug It in and then go to the restroom and Maybe grab some food And then depending on if it's summer Winter then the charting session could Be something between 10 15 minutes to up to almost half an Hour Depending on the weather anyway all Right So then at least then you get the Charting stop you need But then after that one then I had to Drive one hour to the swap station and Then I swapped and once you swap you Cannot leave the car
That's just the way uh Neo has Programmed the systems And then the swap takes five to seven Minutes plus some a little bit overhead When you have to back in and press OK And all that stuff And wait after the after the swap is Finished you also have to wait for the Green light and the car to fire up and The result so Um but then you spend those five to ten Minutes for the swap And then You can go to the restroom if you like But if you do that the car will just be Sitting there doing nothing or you can Just like well like what I did I just Went I only swapped I didn't leave the Car And then I hammer it so Um I did not pee for about two and a Half three hours roughly Just because I wanted to See how fast it is possible to do it But I think most people they will Probably Swap and then they leave the Car and uh go to the restroom so which Means that the swap stop you have at a Certain point whatever could be the swap Itself is 5-10 minutes and then you Stand stay another five ten minutes There so you could spend up to 20 Minutes at a location for example while Bike and if you bring an ionic six there
Or I don't know some other cars there Right BMV I4 maybe or ev6 or Tesla Model 3 or Something Over within 20 minutes An ionic six can go from 10 to 80 Percent well actually they I only six Only needs 18 minutes to reach 80 percent and Remember that the battery swap gives you 90 battery not 100 and you cannot Request to get 100 battery you always Get 90 percent Um a test log could within around 20 Minutes probably reach around uh 70 I Think So yeah you don't get the same range but You do get a lot of juice within that Time right Uh And and do well but then you might ask Yourself what do you need to go to the Restroom huh well well can't you hold it Well remember that when you have You should start with full battery right For optimal speed and then in order to Empty it out you need to drive at least Three hours before the battery is so low That you should Swap and if you swap With 50 battery that's kind of waste of Swap time actually so yeah ideally time Timing wise you should swap when you Have Maybe 20 or lower battery
So which means that In in theory swap is faster just like in Theory Filling up gas is faster but practically On long trips uh Yeah the swap goes pretty quick but You tend to spend some time there at the Gas station anyway yeah so the swap on Long trips doesn't seem to be An advantage and the main reason is that The human is the limiting factor the Human is the bottleneck Well unless you can pee in the bottle Yeah speaking of bottle yeah you could Pee in the bottle and you can bring food With you then yes no problem but for More practical trips and with family or Kids or dogs or with bodies I think most people don't hold it too Long so they're probably just drive and Then Swap and then stop and then Park Same thing as what fossil cars do when They need to take a break they drive They refuel put in some dinosaur juice And then they park the car and they go To the gas station well some people also Park block the the fossil pump while They go inside the gas station yeah why Not it's called Barnes galbara they say So yeah but then what about Um On long trips if we have The charging cues right the ladder style Yeah then it's wonderful because the
Probability of getting a style in a swap Station should be quite low since each Car only needs No more than 10 minutes five to ten Minutes to finish a swap whereas a Charting station If you only have one One high power charger let's say a 350 Kilowatt charger Most cars they don't need five they Probably need at least 15 20 minutes Half an hour or maybe even longer But but fortunately on many many joining Sites you don't only have one Charger you have maybe four or six or if It's Tesla they stop down 10 or maybe 20 Slots And cost wise you can say yeah maybe a One swap station costs the same as I don't know I actually I just take this Out of the blue maybe at least four high Power chargers right something like that Well I'm not sure which means that when You then have four high power charging Slots for example four I only hit the Slots 350 kilowatt right Then on average each car Might need only 10 minutes on each slot You you might have statistically you Have to wait 10 minutes before one slot Gets available right and then it is very Similar to your swap station because if You're unlucky and even if there is no Style no rush hour or anything if you're
Unlucky and you arrive at the Swap Station And there just happened to be one car in Front of you and he's just started then You might have to wait five ten minutes Before he's finished right but on Average it's half of that so But what I'm saying is that even during Rush hour there could even be SWAP SWAP SWAP style swap swap style yeah And the problem is that once you have Schwab Style But what the heck is going on over there Okay someone dropped something okay Well Um If you're unlucky you might have to wait Let's say half an hour before you get The slot whereas a site with lots of High power chargers Uh you might not have to wait that long Before you get a slot but then of course You have to charge and that takes time But I think what is important for many People when they are in a in another Style situation or a swap style Situation is that You just want to have a slot and then Because once you get a slot then you can Do whatever Uh eat chill you know But what as long as you're queuing then You're more or less just you're bound to Cue and you can't do something else
Because there's no unfortunately there Is no queuing system for uh Well I mean there is a queuing system Kind of for for charging which means That you just have to be stay in line There is you can't just take a ticket And then come back and get a reminder Once it's your turn so it's Unfortunately not that sophisticated Yet But okay so that's my experience and my Predictions of how it is when you have It on when you are driving on long trips With with shrimp a battery swap But what about locally locally it must Be brilliant because especially locally The battery might be cold you know Colgate especially in winter so if you Don't swap locally it would be well you Instantly you get 90 battery boom yeah That would make more sense except for That why do you need to locally swap in The first place because the biggest Advantage of an EV is that you can Charge at home overnight or at the Office when you're working for for eight Hours and then you fill up the battery Slowly but a lot and cheap also And you don't pay you don't put too much Stress on the grid So I think most people who owns an EV they Should have home charging either private Home charging or charging at work or if
You live in an area where you have Public charging and there are enough of Them so that you can get a spot there When you need and then you charge there Overnight and then you have enough juice To drive several days or maybe a week Until you have to go and find a spot There again But if you own an EV and you don't have Home charging and you don't have any Street charging nearby and you have to Rely on fast charging that is Possible but it is a bad user experience For an EV driver So yeah It's like I mean how do I put this let's Say it's very convenient to eat Breakfast at home right or to eat dinner Eating at home is very convenient since You live at home can you imagine if you For some reason could not eat at home Every time you want to eat you have to Go outside And you you can't just take away no no You have to go outside and you have to Eat at the restaurant or a fast food Chain or a cafe Then you can imagine how cumbersome it Is just to live right and that's Basically what I mean is you if you Can't home charge then the user Experience as an EV driver is greatly Reduced But with battery swap you can solve it
Yes you can but the thing is that in at Least in Norway there are some strong Laws here that allows or actually you You give people the right to install a Personal charting station at home even If you live in a high-rise building and You have a garage under beneath you have You have the possibility to do that And also many people in Norway they live In houses or townhouse or what they Calls or all the places where you have Home charging so at least in Norway and I also believe around Europe Many many people can charge Like they can slow charge oh what the Heck is the freaking neopilot doing they can slow charge somewhere Right and then just a few unlucky people Or unfortunate people I'd say they need To always fast charge but they just they Just want to have the EV so for them Yeah battery swap would make sense but However Um nowadays for example in Oslo I take Oslo or Norway as an example since I Know it best There are more and more fast charger and Even high power chargers at key Locations where you spend some time for Example at shopping malls grocery stores Even some gas stations uh yeah and some Other places I don't remember right now Which means that if you do a little bit Of planning if you cannot charge from
Home still in that scenario you can just Top up for 10 20 minutes while you're Doing groceries or why while you are at The shopping mall And then you can get your charging needs Uh satisfied or you know you can cover Your charting needs by doing that And also when it comes to Colgate more And more cars nowadays they get Preheating like Tesla has been having it For four years now but other cars also You can pre-heat the battery and also as Long as you know a little bit of how EVS Work you should Charge when the battery is low even if The battery is cold As long as it's low you still get okay Charging speed but combined with some Preheating then You can get these in turning speeds and Okay it will never be as fast as local Swapping but You don't have to maybe do everything in One go you can just Spend some time at the shopping mall or Do some grocery shopping and then you Fill up 30 40 of the battery and then Next time you do something you fill Another 30 20 so it's about it's all About ABC always be charging that's the The initial ABC So in Europe I claim that battery swap Might have its limited usage but in China I've never been to China before
But in China I suspect that it's completely different People over there they live in high-rise Buildings and the laws there does not Give people the right to install a Private or dedicated charging station And And they many people they don't have Home charging And maybe free charging is not enough I'm not sure so that that's why in China It makes perfect sense to have battery Swap I mean I've even seen that in China They have plenty of superchargers Because money money Tesla owners they Don't have home charging and the only Way for Tesla to sell cars in it yeah Entire in China is to offer a street or A city superchargers for the owners so I Heard that at some times the Superchargers were really really busy in The cities And you have the queue up and then sit There and charge for an hour or Something you and once you get there you Don't want to charge you just 60 which Is the fastest no you want to sit there And charge to 90 or maybe even more Because then you don't have to go there And queue up too often So that's a situation in China so over There it makes perfect sense but in Europe And the way I experience it
I feel like nah but you see But it doesn't mean that the technology Is useless no Um what Neo could do or someone else who Wants to build a swap network is that They could maybe allow the user to leave The car right If you can leave the car for those five Minutes that'd be great you can do your Thing but The problem is that if you leave the car And you You you uh you spend too much much time And you don't get back to the car in Time when it's finished then suddenly You are the bottleneck in the system and There could be other people waiting for You So and I know this because sometimes I'm thinking oh I'm just going to go to The restroom I I'm just going to go to The to the gas station and then what Happens there is freaking toilet style Man yeah and then I spend more than five Minutes waiting for the one toilet to be Available Or I don't know there could be stuff That takes longer than you expect so I Think that's that's the that's maybe the Problem maybe that's why uh Neo they Don't want the the people maybe Chinese People to leave the car because maybe in China there is more often uh swap style And that's why you don't wanna
You want to minimize the the queuing Yeah that's what I'm saying But at least If it would be possible yeah then that Would be better or if you travel with a Family then okay before you swap Everyone get out except for the man yeah His duty is to swap wife and kids they Can go inside and pee and eat and Whatever and then but then afterwards Then the man needs to go and pee maybe But at least the kids the wife bought Some food for him you know something Like that yeah I guess that will work Okay Um and also what Neo could do is They could increase the fast starting Speed on these cars so that in Europe Uh you will be able to charge faster When you are not swapping But then In that case what is the point of this Weapon in the first place right why Don't users offer fast charging in the First place and then don't have swap at All And another problem with swap is that It's prop where it's going to get Proprietary it's only for Neo cars Other cars I mean technically yes if if Other car manufacturers want to use the The swap Network For example in China maybe that makes More sense over here in Europe you'll be
Like huh why there are so few stations Yeah but for example in China yeah if if Byd wants to join the Neo Network they Have to make A car that conforms to all the standards They have to use the exact same battery Pack same yeah and also the protocols And and all used interface and Everything needs to be well actually it Doesn't have to be exactly the same but At least Uh all the signals and everything needs To be the same so it can be used Which means that they have to follow Neo Standard Which isn't an official standard right It's just near its own standard of Implementing things But in in comparison Tesla when Tesla Created the supercharger Network okay it Was Tesla only in the beginning it was That that type 2 uh thing that has DC You know but then eventually Tesla Switch it to ccs and they still kept the Same infrastructure and everything and Then and then suddenly other cars Were able to charge on the supercharger Network But it seems to be way harder for Neo to Open up the swap Network for other Brands and also do they want to open up The network for other brands uh I guess not or sharing is caring well But as long as they have enough coverage
Or enough traffic on their Network then Each location Pays off but for example in Tesla Tesla's example For example a not very used Supercharger Location up in the north Good example There is no town there because it's well Actually maybe there's a Tiny Town There's no City there there's not much Traffic at the backwards but Tesla still Install I don't remember how many uh maybe 12 to 16 stalls their supercharger stalls lots Of stalls That's great because if there is some Vacation or well I don't know a vacation Or holiday or something and lots of Teslas travel then the probability Probability of a lot of style over there Is quite low because we have enough Stalls But but the problem is that for most of The year most of the week weekdays that Site is not very well utilized So they install they invested a lot of Money in that site but they are not Getting a good return on investment but By opening up it is open by the way for Other brands then you can get more Charting sessions there and then it will Take it will be faster For Tesla to get the return on Investment day or it will be
Profitable or not yeah you know So that's the whole thing that's the Whole fundamental thing about the Something you install like a charging Infrastructure is that Ideally the charging or charge Point Operators they want to have as many Charting sessions as possible Without getting ladders down because When you have a lot of style then the User experience is bad people are not Happy and they might go other places Instead and avoid that one So back to the whole swap Is it is it a future well I mean I'm not Against it I think it's always good to Have some worse well have some versatile Network and to see new technology in Europe I heard about it in from China For a longest time and it was Interesting to see how it works and also Very impressive that Neo actually made It work It requires lots of planning the cars Need to be designed for swapping even You know I heard those those bolts or Those screws or whatever we call it that Is used for wait what is the difference Within a bolt and a screw Oh what was that gonna drink Okay Uh but yeah but Those screws they are designed for over 150 000 Cycles screws and unscrews
And we've seen that okay for the most Time it actually works during winter There was some block rate and then you Couldn't Park automatically and then Yeah so that was a little bit failed Okay but at least Neo put a lot of Effort and they designed the cars from Ground up to B Swap and they built they Actually put enough money into the chart Into the swap Network because the swap Network is only good As long as you have enough swapping Stations just like why are gas or why Are Foster cars so good today well Because you can refuel anywhere and why Are EVS so great in Norway well because We have so many high power charges in Norway but We had to get there right someone needed To take that investment and Neo pushed a Lot of money in China and they succeeded And they have a good network over there But they kind of need to start from Scratch in in Europe and I feel like Them how they put this the conditions in Europe might be different or maybe Totally different than China like in China they don't even use CCS they have The gbt and I don't know how the Charging network is there how much high Power charger 350 kilowatt I have on Each side do they have large charging Sites like we have in Norway like some Some sites we have maybe somewhere
Between 20 and 60. high power charging Ports or plugs where they're plugs yeah Like for example you can get or Something right so so here we have so Good Network charting Network that Battery swap uh Doesn't necessarily it doesn't make Sense maybe Sometimes I I wonder like does it make Any sense because if you look at the 1000 kilometer challenge that I've taken Uh the top is not only dominated by swap Cars they are actually dominated by um Charging cars like Tesla Model 3 plot Eqs uh I don't remember all of them I Think I also the rear wheel drive I4 you Know those are some of the fastest cars Out there and they charge at 300 to 250 Kilowatts So yeah but of course Neo would be Faster if they could charge a 200 250 Kilowatt also the the that's the one Thing that was dragging down the Neo Test I did is that I had to top up I had To charge and top up in between and Those sessions were slow So I could have shaved off maybe a half An hour or maybe even more on those Times Yeah the two things you can do with Neo You can increase charging speed or you Can add more swap stations yeah But also one one thing I like about Neo Is that they actually have pretty
Awesome Pricing you get okay in order to swap You have to have boss or boss battery as A service You rent the batteries and then you can Swap But that means you don't own the battery But then the price of the car becomes Lower which is also good When you want to have a loan for example Or now in Norway you get tax on EVS There is a there is a weight component Weight tax and but also a price tax and You have to pay vit Of the amount that cost over 500 000 Nook So for example in the yeah In the Neo Neo cars if you want 100 Kilowatt hour battery and you want the You want to buy it you have to pay 160 000 Nook for it which is quite a lot so By shaving off that one And just rent the battery then it's Better and also Um it cost the bus by the way with 100 Kilowatt hour battery Cost 2 000 Nook per month but you get 200 kilowatt hour of either swap or Charging for free and one swap if you Have to pay for it outside that free Thing cost almost well it's two new per Kilowatt hour plus a swap fee of 99 Nook So it's actually almost Almost two thousand no no not that bad
Let's say maybe roughly 1500 to 1600 Nuke Yeah it's kind of high but Yeah so which means that when you swap Twice it it almost pays for itself you Know the Wait wait did I miscalculate something Here yeah I did I did my mind it's not Too it's hundred and Uh let me do the math again 350 ish yeah 350 nuke No wait I'm I'm just tripping right now One swap can cost if you pay it for Yourself uh it costs almost 200 no yeah My bad so two swaps will be around 400 Nook roughly that you get for free But if you charge that for them Which is quite expensive in Orlando for Them it's it's now for recharge then it Cost eight nuke per kilowatt hour but You can use bus to charge at recharge And then if you spend Those 200 kilowatt hour on charging on Recharge it it costs one 1 600 note so What I'm saying is that for the price of The one or the 2000 that you are paying Per month you actually get a lot of free Charging Yeah But when it comes to swap and Degradation that is another interesting Topic and that is that the argument for Swap has been that oh but you know we Don't have to worry about battery
Degradation there was actually Um a case that I mean an article or a Story that has been Shared lately you know a villum they Have battery tests avilo published some Information about the battery Degradation lately and they found out That if you fast fast charge a lot you Will degrade the battery faster well Yeah no joke Sherlock but at least when they Published the information It was presented as if Fast charging was really bad it will Kill you I mean it will kill your Battery really fast and you should avoid It at us at all costs but I don't think It's that when I tested batteries Degradation okay I have indications that Fast charting is not good for the Degradation but Not that much like I mean how how much Is it maybe it degrades it for a little Bit more but not like Doubles the degradation or something Like that you know But anyway so that story was published Around Norway and people started sharing It on Facebook and I saw there was one Guy he shared on the Neo group and it Was like yeah at least we don't have to Worry about degradation well but I was Thinking well what do you know are you Actually assuming that Neo cars don't
Don't degrade of course they do think About this I already worked out that Neo They have you know based on how many Swap stations they have and how many Batteries they have in each swap station Uh number of cars with batteries versus Number of batteries total uh The swap stations the only whole roughly Three Percent more batteries than cars if you Know what I mean so if you have 100 000 Cars There's only 103 000 batteries total and on those 3 000 Batteries are located in the battery Store stations And that means that Um there will be degradation because Degradation happens when you discharge a Battery just like we are doing right now And when yeah one the degradation Happens because we are using Cycles on The batteries And okay ideally if you have two times More batteries then you have cars then Degradation is cut to half so here we Can say technically degradation is Reduced by three percent roughly Statistically right but then we have to Look at another thing another is how are These batteries charged In the swap station are they charged Slow charge overnight over 10 hours no They are actually charged quite fast
Um around 90 kilowatts Because they they have to be ready Within an hour and then if you have a Big swap station then on average every Five to ten minutes a new battery is Ready for being swapped out again which Means that the the batteries in the swap Station they are charged at roughly 1C Or it basically means that they are it Well they are DC fast charge DC and AC I mean it boils down to it Like when you when we say DC fast Charging it means that we are receiving DC directly from the charging station Uh and then when we are AC charging we Are charging on AC that goes into the Car but then the onboard charger trans Converts it to DC but in the In the swap station you can say it is Just a big DC uh charger in there that Takes care of all the charging So um technically you could have A hundred kilowatt AC onboard charger For example in the car and then you will Be AC charging right but So So uh that means that if actually in China for example if people are swapping A lot it should mean that The Neo batteries they they actually get A lot of fast charging On the batteries And that should mean that they um they Degrade faster plus that
If I just rent the battery I probably Don't care about uh Degradation on it right or I don't care About taking care of the battery so I Will probably just charge it 100 Rather than starting it to 90 to 80 Percent So it means that the owners when they Have the batteries and the AC charge They are abusing the battery and then The station when they are preparing the Battery they are also abusing the Battery In theory that's what it is right Unless we start investigating I can ask Neil about this but what I have Discovered is that in several cases now When I measured a Neo es8 about a year Ago I got 88 kilowatt hour from it Nowadays one hour one year later I have Never gotten 88 kilowatt hour anymore Not even from brand new cars like this One but think about this this is a new Car with only 6 000 kilometers on the Odometer does it have a new battery no Because it has been swapped so it got a New well it got a degraded battery That was already in the system And by the way when you order this car With bus I don't know how it works but What do they actually put in here okay I Guess if you order the car with and you Buy the battery then you get the branch Bank in your battery at the factory but
Maybe if you buy with bus they just take An old battery in the system in China And then put it in there and then ship It to Norway I'm not sure how it works It would be interesting to have a little Conversation with Neo about this But what I'm saying is that from my Discoveries now It seems like the batteries we are Seeing on today's cars they They have roughly two three percent Degradation even if you buy a branch Bank in new Neo today and you go for bus You have degradation But we'll be like but all the Fanboys New Fanboys better no no wait I heard About this I read about this that Neo They will Continuously monitor the batteries when They're in when they are in the swap Station and take it out if they detect Some faults with it oh great we don't Have to worry about battery fault well Wait a minute But only three percent of the batteries Are in the battery swap station The remaining batteries they are in the Cars right So the probability of the swap station Detecting a false when is in the Batteries in in the swap station that is Microscopic most of the batteries they Are living their lives in the cars Either stationary or driving around
Somewhere and that should mean that if a Battery fault occurs in the car The car should detect it right I mean Are there reasons why the cars would not Detect it until it did swapped into the Swap station and then the swap station Detects it no the car should also be Able to detect the same errors Exactly the same errors as what the swap Station would but what and that brings Me down to oh but what is the whole Point that oh but you don't have to Worry about the you know the swap Station take care of it well Eros is More likely to occur on on Neo cars with Batteries in them rather than at the Swap station What does that make any sense And also Um That means that errors or let's say a Battery fault whatever for whatever Reason it happens one time with any Brand really Uh it's either way covered by warranty You have typically I don't know uh I don't remember how many years Eight I think eighth year is quite Common yeah eight year of battery Warranty and then some kilometers or Yeah it depends I guess So by buying other cars other brands you Already have warranty and you don't have To worry about the battery for maybe at
Least eight years but for Neo okay as Long as you have bus then you have Warranty so that's good actually if if You own the Neo and you drive a lot then Uh I guess you have unlimited battery Warranty because you just swap Everything into the system But does that mean that the Neo Batteries they never degrade or I mean Not a lot they they don't degrade Because Neo they take care of it well Think about this How does batteries degrade they degrade Because Each cell each individual cell gets a Little bit weaker By time over time And then Buttons in in some cases for example With a Kia Soul that has a faulty Battery then there were some bad cells Of bad rather bad modules that got more Heat and then over time those cells were A lot weaker than the rest of the pack And then what happens then is that the State of health drops a plummet so you Get instead of gentle decrease in state Of health you know suddenly you get Maybe uh 60 instead of Health Massive drop but when you replace the Faulty module suddenly you restore it Back to maybe 80 90 state of health what It should be what the rest of the pack Is currently at right
Um And then also another thing is that if You want to when you do those battery Repairs you can't simply just put a Branch Banking new cell or module in There with the rest of the other you Have to match it so if the rest of the Pack is degraded to 90 you have to find Another module that has around 90 Percent Capacity left and put it in there and Then when then we bring it back to Neo's Case so if Neo batteries are slowly Degrading First of all do you think they would From an economical perspective do you Think they will actually just Keep refreshing the batteries so they Will be at 100 or 98 state of health at All time no they will naturally just Degrade in the system Because if they kept refreshing the Batteries they will post massive amounts Of money So they will only do something if there Is a bad default which is covered on the Warranty anyway with normal cars right And then in case they want to How they put this in case they want to Restore the capacity how do you do that You have to Replace the whole battery of all the Cells all the modules So that they are equally the same right
So I actually Wonder Maybe eventually Yeah eventually if The Neo batteries they degrade to the Point where uh let's say they go below 70 Telehealth then they refresh them or Yeah but how long does it take really Because we have seen now in the past Tesla published recently some Information about their batteries and They have lots of data and after they Say 200 000 miles 300 000 kilometers Roughly they have only around 10 percent Was it 10 or 12 I don't remember Yeah around there 10 12 degradation my Own test from Millennial Falcon which is Just one case Tesla they have lots a lot Of data big data but I had one case Uh Milan the Falcon after 260 000 Kilometers had 11 degradation so it's Actually very close to what Tesla also Found so you see And then okay that was after 260 000 Kilometers so it means that Neo cars They probably need to drive for many Many years until they have 10 Degradation and by the way I mentioned That they have At least in a fairly new battery I Believe when I tested one year ago I got 88 kilowatt hour when I charge the car To full It goes fairly fast to uh 200 even at 99 It's taking 18 kilowatt and when I drive Start driving
I have region That indicates that there is a top Buffer and also because we only get 88 Kilowatt hour not let's say 95 kilowatt Hour right so I'm pretty sure that they Put in a top buffer in the in theirs 100 It's not 100 while gas 100 is around 96 That's actually quite common also same For for example ionic six I've seen it You charge 100 on the display it's just It but Uh the the BMS says 96 and then also There is a buffer below zero I also Discovered that when I did the zero mile Test uh even at zero percent I managed To pull around two kilowatt hour past Zero and then it was in that Neo crawl Where it still draw really slow Outputting only five kilowatt but you Can still drive a little bit but what I'm saying is that Neo has built-in Buffers in the top and the bottom To prevent Too much liquidation plus that NEOS they charge somewhat slow you know They charge at only a 120 kilowatt Kilowatt which is around 1.2 C only Which means that they should last a long Time and they should have really really Low degradation And that means that Um Yeah they shouldn't degrade that much Well well actually it depends how much
They have been abused in the in the swap System I guess But uh but no that brings me back to That Neo batteries they probably degrade More or less the same as as other Batteries So to me though it doesn't seem like There is an advantage Swapping doesn't give you any Degradation advantage that's my claim Really based on stuff I know nowadays So then what is the point of swap then Well yeah a very long chat Um interesting I mean I I have interesting thoughts about the Whole swap I like the idea and like I Said I'm really impressed that they make It made it work because in the past I Also talk about a better place that Project failed miserably And also Tesla who knows how much money Tesla spent on their battery swap system Some people say that Tesla did it just For for some tax uh some reasons I don't Remember what it was or some government Support or something I don't know um But at least Tesla also tried it but in Tesla's case it was just bad timing and Bad circumstances for the battery swap And I guess just like hydrogen Uh one technology might be beaten by Another technology Are not the best technology Maybe not the best
Like technical solution is the the one That would win for example I heard that The VHS cassette Is inferior or Worse technically worse Than the the beta Max or whatever it's Called but so for some reason VHS Dominated in the 60s and 70s and 80s Until it was again killed by Uh internet I guess internet killed a Lot of stuff to be honest Yeah well I'm not paying attention so um Yeah Um very oh I'm running out of Memory space yeah I should buy a bigger Memory by the way but yeah so um now I Gave you guys all my thoughts about Battery swap And then the one here what do you what Do you guys think huh but Grace pop is It the future do we need more swap Stations or should Neo concentrate on Building faster charging cars than uh And more uh charting networks instead They also have a new charging thing at The Swap stations but there's just a few Well I think around two two to four uh Chartings charging stations uh fast Charger I don't know how fast they are Even So um yeah but I mean I'm not saying That swap is useless I just have a Little bit I I just questioned it how How useful is it and at least for me for Now I cannot see the light and I when I
Try to use it myself I experienced that It wasn't maybe that awesome just like Hydrogen it might not be that awesome as Awesome as it sounds like so um yeah Well I think that's gonna be it for now I hope you guys enjoyed this video as Always thank you for watching and talk To you later
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